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Last year, the Media Circus briefly touched on the phenomenon of the "sports expert". We pondered what qualifies a media member to reach such an elite position, and wondered if there would ever be a clash between armies of Experts and Insiders. Along the way, it became evident the term "expert" may be tossed around a little too liberally in the online world of sports coverage:

The internet arm of the Sporting News has taken to calling itself "The Expert's Choice". On the surface, there isn't anything real notable about that... But we found that the Sporting News might be taking their self appointed role as the expert's choice a little overboard, when we counted 47 "expert" sportswriters on their roll call.

To counter TSN's unprecedented number of sports experts, Foxsports.com had something to say about holding the title of “expert” close to the company heart. At one time last summer, it listed 80+ experts on their online roster (the list is no longer since the site redesign this past spring).

mortensenchrisOver at the WorldWide Leader in Sports, Chris Mortensen is the company’s NFL expert; and it was just a few days ago, when Mortensen filled the position of NFL expert in a way that [sarcasm] only the most seasoned football journalist-expert-insider could [sarcasm/]:

"For more on why electrocuting, drowning, and hanging dogs could hurt Michael Vick off the field, here's ESPN's NFL expert Chris Mortensen."

We don't remember what Mort said, but we confidently believe it was brilliant. Only an intellectual sports expert could explain to the simpletons why hanging, drowning and electrocuting dogs could hurt someone's standing from a professional standpoint. From a legal standpoint, we’re still eagerly anticipating Roger Cossack’s insight.

In dire times like this, what would we do without the experts spelling out the consequences for us?

Crap that actually came from somebody's mouth
beanebilly“Well they are built on walking and hitting home runs, and they have not been doing that a lot this year. That is their philosophy, as far as walks and home runs.” – Joe Morgan on the Oakland A’s, ESPN.com chat.

We swear we didn’t creatively edit that. So according to our Emmy winning baseball expert, the Oakland A’s philosophy on walks and homeruns is…walking and hitting home runs. Brilliant.
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“And the day I consider VORP is the day I get out of the business. The idea of the MVP is to honor the player who has had the biggest positive impact on the pennant races.” – John Heyman on his selective MVP criteria

And a statistic such as VORP that is designed – by smart people no less - to determine how well someone has played as compared to a league average player at his position surely won’t be able to help you determine who the “Most Valuable” player is, right? If you ask us, anyone who isn’t willing to consider new ways to analyze the sport they cover for a living probably should be the ones getting out of the business.
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faardmarco
"I have two words for (Rams RB Brian Leonard): Advil."
- Rams preseason TV analyst, D'Marco Farr

We’ve got one word to describe D’Marco Farr: “football analyst”.
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“There are 30 major league baseball teams, but sometimes it seems as though the New York Yankees are the only team that ever wins the World Series.” – Andy Rooney in the Stamford Times

Don’t be so harsh on old Andy. He just woke up from a relaxing nap that started in November 2000.

Crap that actually came from somebody’s Vick
"From the beginning, some people didn't like Michael Vick because of the way he looks." - Ryan Stewart, 2Live Stews Radio Show

Call us crazy, but we're guessing some people didn't like Michael Vick "from the beginning" because he complained about not being respected as a passer, gave a woman herpes, was implicated in the stealing of an airport security guard's watch, allegedly tried to get through airport security with some marijuana, unconditionally defended his idiot brother and talked in the 3rd person while lying about any involvement regarding a dog fighting ring held on his property.
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"It was a story that people were going to sink their teeth in... it's a piling on... it's the treatment that's over the top." - Rob Parker, Detroit News, describing the Vick coverage from the white media

We're not about to argue that media coverage of any "big story" isn't incessant, but we're trying to figure how the white media has been unfair to Vick considering his name is/was plastered all over the federal indictment painting him as the head of the dog fighting ring. And, oh yeah, he ADMITTED GUILT, too.
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"The Michael Vick we know is not the Michael Vick the media has portrayed. He's a man who loves God.”
– Domeka Kelley, pastor of Psalms ministry where Vick donated over $300,000 (per Elizabeth Merrill’s column on ESPN.com)

We get what you’re saying Domeka – we’d like the guy too if he donated $300,000 to us - but for once the media isn’t at fault here. They’re not “portraying” anybody, the dude pled guilty to the charges that the media is constantly referencing.
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“And how is the reaction different if Michael Doleac, Chris Quinn and Jason Kapono fought fans in Detroit instead of three giant black guys with braids and tattoos?” – Dan LeBatard on race perception in sports

To make a comparison like this to prove a point about how things are perceived nationally is to basically assume that the three giant black guys with braids and tattoos were randomly selected to attack fans in the stands. They weren’t. They chose to do it. At the same time, Michael Doleac, Chris Quinn and Jason Kapono have chosen not to do it. If that changes, then this comparison makes sense, until then it’s stupid.
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"Most of the black people I know are good, hard working citizens... at some point, you have to grow up and be a man." - Charles Barkley

Leave it to Charles Barkley to answer as the voice of the reason. It's one of the reasons we think Charles Barkley is the next Charles Barkley of the sports media.
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Media Rant – The Mick Vick situation is Just Like…
When it comes to an incident as unprecedented as the Michael Vick dog fighting trial the media and the people being interviewed by the media all lean on an old pal to help them get their points across, no matter how dumb they make them sound. That old friend is a standard equation. Example: Activity A involves animals, Activity B involves animals, so naturally Activity A = Activity B.

Sometimes the comparisons work, sometimes they don’t, but all that matters is that they’re a simple way to force everyone not to look at the actual issue at hand. And isn’t that the point?

Here are some of our favorites over the past week:

bullfightingDog fighting = Bullfighting

“And it can be jarring to see one of your own lose his livelihood and freedom and name for something that isn't a lot different than bullfighting.” – Dan LeBatard Miami Herald

Of course, this comparison would be a little more relevant if bullfighting was a big underground sport in the United States. As it stands, we haven’t seen many matadors showing off in the alleys lately. Comparing dog fighting to something that is a part of a culture half way across the world isn’t really relevant to how it is perceived here.

Dog fighting = Deer Hunting

“We don’t say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals.” – Stephon Marbury

This has become one of the more popular comparisons to be thrown out there in reference to Vick. While it’s probably a little closer than most, it’s still not all together reasonable to compare deer or turkey hunting unless of course the deer or turkey are being electrocuted, drowned, strangled, tortured, etc. We’re not big hunters personally, but there is certainly a tangible difference between regulated deer hunting and dog fighting.

Dog fighting = Killing a Human

juice

"In some instances, I believe Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he would've killed a human being..The way he is being persecuted, he wouldn't have been persecuted that much had he killed somebody." - RL White, Atl NAACP

Is there anyone out there who honestly believes that the coverage and so-called “persecution” wouldn’t have been as intense on Mike Vick if he would have pled guilty to murder? Anyone? RL, put your hand down, you don’t count.

Mike Vick Felony = Joe Montana Skipping the Super Bowl

Rob Parker of the Detroit News compared the criticism associated with Mike Vick’s incident to Joe Montana skipping the Super Bowl ceremony last year because Montana allegedly wanted more money (something he denied). According to Parker, because Montana is white he is not viewed as a “greedy athlete”.

"Joe Montana doesn't show up at the Super Bowl in Detroit. If that was Michael Vick that didn't show up at the Super Bowl, it would have been blown out of proportion... The fans have a problem with black athletes who make a lot of money." - Rob Parker, Detroit News

Got to admit, we’re having a real tough time drawing any parallels between Joe Montana skipping a ceremony at the Super Bowl and Vick killing dogs for personal entertainment. We’re also having difficulty thinking of black athletes whom white people despise because of their money, since Reggie Bush, LaDainian Tomlinson, Shaq, LeBron James and Dywane Wade make tons of money and “white people don’t hate them”.

Dog fighting = Fishing and Horse Racing

fishing“We hunt for horned trophies to hang on our walls. We traumatize fish for the pure joy of stalking and dominating them. We sip mint juleps and celebrate the "sport of kings," but tsk, tsk look the other way when thin thoroughbred legs snap under pressure.” – Stephen Nohlgren, St. Petersburg Times

First off, until trainers put two horses in a ring and have them fight to the death, we’re pleading with everyone to stop the “dog fighting is no worse than horse racing” argument that we’ve seen several places. It’s uneducated and weak.

Secondly, a message for Mr. Nohlgren: Are you freaking crazy? Look the other way when the horse snaps it’s leg? Were you in a coma for the 6 solid months of Barbaro coverage culminating in the hour long documentary on NBC after the horse was euthanized? If you’re going to say that people look the other way when a horse breaks down at a scrub track in Western Illinois that’s okay, but don’t act like when it happens on a large public stage that the country ignores it. Quite the opposite.

Trained Pit Bulls = Hitler SS Men

“The dogs, many of them pit bulls descended from canines used in British blood sports centuries ago, go through a training as elaborate -- and brutal -- as that of a Mussolini brownshirt or a Hitler SS man” – Georgia Anne Geyer, Yahoo News

Our personal favorites. We suppose it’s not a stretch to compare pit bull training to that of an elite group of Nazi soldiers specifically chosen to protect Hitler and lead mobile killing units during World War II. Not a stretch at all.

Bob Carpenter Memorial Snappy Line
hortonAfter getting off the snappy side with his very own historic Barry Bonds call 2 weeks ago, the Bobber looked to his former snappy partner Ricky Horton last week to get the job done. Unfortunately for all, Ricky came up empty and was put on the indefinite silent treatment list, after he shifted responsibilities to TV colleague Pat Parris and Parris subsequently failed.

For his part, Parris worked hard the following week to come up with a clever play on words for returning Cardinals reliever Todd Wellemeyer. It was hoped Ricky would be off the hook and Pat would be welcomed to Bobby's snappy family when this one was delivered:

"The Cardinals Welle-comed back a new reliever."

All was headed towards another thumbs-down frown and scowl, until Bob inadvertently ran into Bill Pidto on ESPNews. What soon followed was magical:

"When opposing teams have been tangled in Brandon's Webb, they have been rendered runless."

As he looked away from the television in stunned amazement, Bob noticed the sun was beaming and the birds were chirping. It was then that he granted all parties two thumbs up and a wink, and a forgiving hug from Robert C. to Ricky capped off the most joyous of occasions. "This one's for the dogs," says he.

bobby

The Media Circus is written by Josh Bacott and Pat Imig. They swear this stuff is real. Email them at info@joesportsfan.com

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JB, August 30, 2007 07:08 AM
DFA, over at stlsportsmag.com, we did a VORP for Kip Wells earlier in the season comparing him to Mr. T. Shockingly the Cardinals rotation was slightly better - slightly - with Wells.

I would post a link, but we banned those in the comments.
Hollywood Wags, August 30, 2007 06:08 AM
Art Schlichter gave me a call the other day and asked me to get together all the white leaders to help him out.

I called a few and they told me to fuck off.
TDS, August 30, 2007 05:08 AM
Rob Parker may be the dumbest human to ever hold a job. But maybe I only think that because I'm white and evil.
Hollywood Wags, August 30, 2007 02:08 AM
Art Schlichter gave me a call the other day and asked me to get together all the white leaders to help him out.

I called a few and they told me to fuck off.
ScottVanPeltStyle.com, August 30, 2007 02:08 AM
Nice piece. Two bad we can't bet on two dueling viewpoints.
Patrick, August 29, 2007 07:08 PM
I couldn't agree more. It's like Juice was using the spread to distract the jury - or it was just a crazy way to say "I killed two people".
DFA, August 29, 2007 03:08 PM
Good article, good comments.

I would like to add that you guys mentioned the VORP and that reminded me of the Molina VORP columns y'all did last year. It's not every day you can read about a major league baseball player being compared to Kip Winger and the guy from My Two Dads.

God, what a magnificent beard on that man.
Norm, August 29, 2007 08:08 AM
I'm still wanting to know what that bucket of butter that OJ is holding says...
Mike Vick, August 29, 2007 07:08 AM
By and large, racism is racist!
Mark Schlereth, August 29, 2007 06:08 AM
These comments are some of the best on the World Wide Web.
Kilo, August 29, 2007 06:08 AM
On a lighter, more jovial note, the A-holes at the World Wide Leader have taken it upon themselves to create fake, "funny" headlines pertaining to the Vick case. What, your own real, crappy, dim-witted headlines weren't enough? ESPN sucks more and more every day. It must be nice to have the market monopolized to the point that you are in no way ever held accountable for the crap that you produce. Dammit! I said I was going to keep it lighter. Sorry.
Kilo, August 29, 2007 06:08 AM
First off, skilled or not, all professional athletes are extremely fortunate to be living in a time and society that values their particular skill set to the degree that it does. NFLers, and all pro athletes, from as recently as 30 years ago were equally as skilled and worked equally as hard, yet received far less compensation respectively. I would say that you are extremely fortunate to receive millions of dollars per year to play a game, while teachers, soldiers, law enforcement officials, etc., are payed in the $50 thousand per year range. Being fortunate is in and of itself independant of hard work and skill.
Peter King, August 29, 2007 05:08 AM
Have you ever hung out with Michael Vick at a dogfight? I have. It was awesome, I though he was gonna go straight gangsta at any minute and start killing dogs!
BG, August 29, 2007 05:08 AM
How can Scott Peterson post ANY comment?
Patrick, August 29, 2007 05:08 AM
As a follow up on the black leaders, it isn't their job and it isn't white leader's job. It's first and foremost, an individual's responsibility to take care of themself.

After that, when looking at the other people "responsible" for the plight of someone such as Michael Vick, the "black leaders" fall somewhere down at number 878 on the list of people. Part of Vick's problem is that he skated through life because he was a freak of talent. People like Frank Beamer are responsible for allowing that to happen.
Diallo, August 29, 2007 04:08 AM
"So, please, leaders of the black community, get your wealthy athletes together and explain to them how extremely fortunate they are to have the career they do."

People are fortunate to win the lottery. People are fortunate to be born into a wealthy family. People are fortunate to have sex with Paris Hilton and not catch anything. Athletes who make it to the NFL, MLG, NHL, or NBA are not furtunate. They are highly skilled people, who have worked extremely hard to get to where they are. It didn't occur do to happenstance.
the truth, August 29, 2007 04:08 AM
So, please, leaders of the black community, get your wealthy athletes together and explain to them how extremely fortunate they are to have the career they do.

This is a completely ridiculous statement. First of all it is very few people who are actually excusing Vick. They just happen to be the ones that are publicized b/c it pisses off people like you guys!
Second of all the majority of black players do not need to be told how fortunate they are. It is ignorace like yours that perpetuates the ill feelings of the select few of minorities that defend Vick.
the truth, August 29, 2007 04:08 AM
How can you post that comment and not mine?
Scott Peterson, August 29, 2007 04:08 AM
Unfortunately, the black community seems to have a persecution complex that supercedes common sense in most instances. That is why dogfighting is being compared to things white people traditionally enjoy doing, like deer hunting. Look at most cases where a black athlete gets in trouble, and there is always someone to step up and try to excuse their actions because of their culture, upbringing, or the despairity of their community...all things which are to be blamed on The Man, who has kept their race down for centuries and is now resentful toward any black that becomes successful.

The analogy of Doleac, et. al. going into the stands to fight fans is the perfect example to show this attitude. Nobody forces black athletes to go out and break the law, they choose to do it. Much like white, Latin, and (surely somewhere in the world) Asian athletes choose to ocasionally break the law. The public turns against you and your race, however, when you decide it's not the fault of the criminals, but the fault of people who have absolutely no impact on the lives of these criminals or the choices they make. So, please, leaders of the black community, get your wealthy athletes together and explain to them how extremely fortunate they are to have the career they do. And, make sure that, like athletes of all races (if I recall correctly, Todd Marinovich was as white as you can possibly be), if they decide to break the law in egregious fashion, they will be subject to heavy scrutiny and ridicule from the public. When you act like an idiot, the puclic, and the media in particular, don't care one bit what color you are.
JB, August 29, 2007 03:08 AM
Speaking of Leonard Little, you're probably not asking the right people about how much outrage we've seen over his incident. We live in St. Louis. We've seen loads of outrage over it, moreso than most NFL fans. We've heard from people who knew the lady he killed, etc. so no one here is oblivious to that situation.

And to RL's statement, a lot of it has to do with Vick's standing in the league. Good or bad, he's been one of the most prominent players in the league since he was taken #1. That's the most basic reason for the crush of coverage. When Leonard Little was convicted of manslaughter, he was a backup linebacker, no one outside of St. Louis knew who the hell he was. So if RL's point is that Vick is getting more attention for dogfighting than a random NFL backup who most people don't know might get for manslaughter then he's probably right.
Patrick, August 29, 2007 03:08 AM
food for thought:

As far as comparing murder to the dog killings, I think one of the reasons people are so "outraged" at this is because we know every and all detail. When someone is murdered, we know them as being "murdered", but rarely do we see all the abhorrent things that actually happened to them. With the Vick case, it's all out there, so naturally, people are pissed. And they should be.
Home Slice, August 29, 2007 02:08 AM
In the "from the beginning" list of reasons people don't like Michael Vick, you forgot the time he flipped off his home crowd with both hands.

Also, half of the media pundits still want to make herpes-infested love to him. I didn't realize the level of infatuation until this article. I'm about to go Sean Salisbury and start yelling if these people don't GET A GRIP! OH NO, NOW IT'S HAPPENED!

RACE IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE. I DON'T CARE IF IT WAS THAT LITTLE KID FROM JERRY MAGUIRE--IF HE WENT AROUND ELECTROCUTING AND DROWNING DOGS, PEOPLE WOULD BE UPSET WITH HIM! IF YOU DON'T GET IT, THEN YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
the truth, August 29, 2007 02:08 AM
Wouldn't it have been awesome if that lady said "The Michael Vick we know loves God"
Reporter: Ma'am we were talking about dogs
Lady: OOOH Dogs yeah he hates those fuckers, my bad.
Kilo, August 29, 2007 02:08 AM
In response to Jones: I don't know what the rest of the ountry is talking about, but Boston sports radio is constantly talking about Leonard Little.

I'll repeat my post from yesterday. Check Easterbrook's TMQ article from this week for an interesting take on the Vick ordeal. I swear he's maybe the only writer left that actually thinks things out before he writes them. A non-sarcastic kudos to Greg for being a legtimate voice of reason in mainstream media.
Phil, August 29, 2007 01:08 AM
My favorite Barkley line of all time "Why do they call white guys chefs and black guys cooks?"

Charles is the best.
alex, August 28, 2007 10:08 PM
You guys could have just posted that whole Andy Rooney article and called it a week. That thing was an absolute tour of force.
jones, August 28, 2007 08:08 PM
RL White (the NAACP guy) inadvertantly makes a truthful point, as long as he isn't talking about "murder". When was the last time you read a piece expressing outrage over Leonard Little's continuing career? That's right, nobody cares. Too bad he killed somebody's mom.

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